New type of powder II

[Blackfeet]

Ah, Ron, you miss the point, I have been lucky to have shot enough to have gotten a baseline for comparison so I will be able to evaluate even the most minute difference in my shooting. I realize that it is a burden but I will do this for you, just this once

[crazell]

How about this. I'll shoot with it until i think i need professional help. I'll start with the bottom half, and see what i think.  After that you will be first to receive it... Oh yeah, thanks for the support..

[Blackfeet]

Ok, have it your way, I need professional help .
I look forward to the review though. If I can ever wean Rocky off of that dang Pyrodex, I may be able to buy a case lot of Goex or whatever seems to be working.

[flintboomer]

I haven't tried the KIK powder but I have shot GOEX Elephant and Shuetsen brands and won a pound of GOI that was probably 30 or so years old. They all shot fine, but the Sheutsen is a little hotter and the old GOI was definitely hotter, so for them I had to reduce my loads by about 10%-20% to get my normal point of impact.
I am guessing that you will need to reduce your loads 10% with KIK from what I have heard and if you ever wind up with any SWIS you will need to reduce your loads by 20%.

Have fun testing, or send it to me, I can always use a good excuse to go make smoke and put holes in targets!

[DandJofAZ]

I've been using that Schuetzen 3fff in my 40 the last 2 years and have been happy with it....

Just Doug

[TopOfTheFoodChain]

Diamondback powder is made in Brazil, it's the old Elephant brand, and the reviews I have found on it are not favorable.  It sells for $11/pound but you can only buy it by the case, so you'd have to shell out $275 just to try it and I've never seen it offered locally.  KiK is supposed to be very consistent and clean burning but I have no firsthand knowledge of either one.

ML I just bought came with 2 pounds of Elephant 2f. Used it and really liked it. Fouling was soft, accuracy was supurb with gun/load used. I don't know how old it is but the gun and powder has been sitting in storage since 1993 or 94'.

[flintboomer]

I still have a little of the old Elephant brand. I never had any problem with it but I shoot rather light loads for my target work. A lot of people told me that it left a little more fowling than GOEX in 2f and about the same as GOEX in 3f. Ballistics were within 2%, so I would not hesitate to use it.
I normally use GOEX for consistancy but will shoot anything I win and I will buy whatever I can find when I get desperate for powder.

[punjab]

I have been using Kik for 5 years or so.Its a good powder,a little hotter than Goex I believe.There have been reports from the "measure the difference with a micrometer guys"about accuracy issues.Since I feel fortunate to hit the paper thats not an issue.It doesn't cause any cleanup problems.

[pilgrim]

http://www.norwestcompany.com/comparison.htm             This is a test from 2001, a bit old but maybe helpful

[stingerbob]

Excellent testing techniques and data by those folks. Well worth the time to read.

[Watauga]

Excellent testing techniques and data by those folks. Well worth the time to read.

Yep thanks for the post pilgrim

[Candle Snuffer]

Never used the KIK powder, but I once tried the 2f and 3f Elephant.  The 3f Elephant worked the best of the two (for me).
I can't remember the last time I bought anything other then Goex.  I'm pretty much sold on this powder, but I've been using
it for 30+ years at least.  Kind of hard for me to make changes I guess... 

[dusty hill]

bought some KIK 3f a few years back and it seemed to burn real clean. shot great but i am trying to stick with one powder i know i can get so it looks like Goex here

[olddan]

  Gee Whiz people ,
              Wish I could buy BP for $14. 99 a pound ! I'm currently paying $ 23.00  POUND FOR GOEX here in Alaska! 

[moby6400]

I use Diamondback, and some other club members do also,,,I started with Goex switched to diamondback (remember "on the cheap"),, and all though I am not an expert shot, I find not a lot of difference in it,,,except for the price,, leans up just as easily,(or should I say as hard) we share the cost of a case so no one gets hit real hard,,,